Yasterday afternoon, a freind ( who has been hunting longer than I have been alive) stopped by the house for other reasons, but we ended up talking about my turkey.
He looked at it, messed with it and determined it was indeed a jake>
Said the hair/ feathers on the neck was one indicator. It didn't go high enough to the crown like a hens would.
He pointed out where spurs were about to develop - but I'll be damned if I could see what he was talking about. Snood was small, but there none the less.
He also told me that the side feathers on the fan were actually a bit shorter than the middle or top fan feathers. Said a Hens fan feathers would be even in length.
Of course, he also said that if there are rules in nature, then there are also rule breakers too.
He said he has seen hens gobble like a tom, fan and strut like a tom too. Said there heads must have gotten turned around backwards while still in the shell. :)
Mwe...I don't care.
I didn't set out to shoot a hen or a jeke, Wasn't my plan, and not once did I settle for something less.
I I know a few of you hinted about having patience. Trust me...I have plenty of it. I spent 5 years mentoring youth in Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts.
I have spent many, many days and nights spear fishing and gigging fish. That takes not only patience, but also takes determination and the ability to sit motionless for a long time.
My point being, I didn't just see a bird and decide to shoot it. I was watching a field, saw what went into and what went out of it during that time. The bird I was pursueing was in fact gobbling and strutting. I stalked that bird and shot it while it was strutting with tail fanned out.
Be it a bearded hen with lesbian tendacies :) or a jake, it was strutting with it's tail fanned out.
It was a legit kill legally and ethically.
I do not purposely kill young animals. I'd rather miss 100 turkeys than kill one that is still young. I also do not kill anything for bragging rights or as a trophy. If I ( or somebody I know) isn't going to eat it...it will not die by my hands.
So, on the last day of turkey season, I finally get my first turkey!
Been so close so many times. Shot at one who did a back flip and flew away over my head into the trees, should have taken a shot at two others on two different occasions, but didn't.
Spent time in the wind and rain getting wet and cold, but never got it done.
And during the times that my nephew would go with me - althought I am pretty sure it is just coincidence - we usually wouldn't even hear a turkey, much less see one.
I have a theory about that too: He tromps too loudly or hardley picks his feet up when he walks. I wear full facemask, gloves and face paint, his hands are bare and his mesh face net is very thin. I put all my camo on before we walk away from the truck, he waits til we get seated to put on his mask. I turn my head very slowly and look out the corners of my eyes alot - he will turn his whole body around to look.
Anyways, back to my kill.
I had set up between two fields. They are about 50 yards apart , and seperated by moderatly dense woods with natural paths through them. One is planted with corn that is about 4 or 5 inches high, the other has about 3 foot high grass. Not planted grass, just your average wild, weedy stuff.
I'm sitting and hear a gobble. I wait a bit and hear another gobble, so I shake my gobble call and the turkey responds immediatly. I play with my slate call a few times and get all kinds of responce from the turkey.
After a while, I realize that he isn't coming any closer, so I get up and creep towards where he's calling from. I end up at the edge of the wild grass field and sit under a low hanging oak tree branch.
I hear him every now and then, and hear another way off behind that field. After a while, I see a head stick up from the middle of the field. He's about 60 to 70 yards away. For the next 45 minutes, we go back and forth. He'd walk a little closer , fan out, make a gobble, then walk back the other way. He probably walked a 30' diameter circle, but that was as far as he was going.
SO, I'm thinking: What the hell!It's the last day of the season, I haven't shot anything else so far...... I have nothing to loose.
With that, I got down on my stomach and crawled about 40 yards through wet grass that was about 3 foot tall. Every now and then. I'd raise up a bit when I was behind a thick clump of grass and take a peek. Mr Turkey was still right in the same area.
When I finally got within 15 to 20 yards of him, I pointed and shot. He fell over, kicked his legs once or twice - and that was it!
Now, I am honestly thinking I enjoyed the stalking part better than bagging one. The fact that I had to crawl across a field in the grass on my stomach, and that I was able to sneak up that close to him without ever alerting or startling him is pretty damn awesome.
I mean, yeah, shooting and bagging him was pretty great, but the stalking somehow makes it way better!
So now I have a few questions:
I saw him in the grass with what looked to be a 7 or 8 inch beard, yet, when I rolled him over, it was maybe 3' long. Looks like the ends were singed. Kinda balled up and a caramelish tan color on the ends. Kinda like when I singe the hairs on my arms when too close to a camp fire.
So I guess it is possible a pellet of two somehow tore through his beard? Or was I just seeing what I wanted to see instead of what was really there?
His head and neck were redder than a fire truck when I shot him, but now his neck is a pale blueish white. I guess the heart stops and so does the blood pumping in his body. I mean, I know fish will loose their color after a while and animal eyes will cloud over, but I though the neck would still be reder than it was.
Now, this turkey weren't no huge record breaking tom by any means, but wasn't no runt either. Maybe a really big jake? I don't know, but he don't have any spurs at all!
I even entertained the possibility that it was a bearded hen, but if so.....does a bearded hen strut, fan out and gobble?
I enjoyed the season, learned more from being out there than anything I read or watched, and enjoyed being in nature even when I didn't get anything.
Except that day in the cold windy rain. That day just sucked! Just sayin!
So, looking forward to next year and plan on getting that huge one I have seen on many occasions. He has about a 11' or 12' that drags the ground when he walks, and when he is puffed up and strutting, it still looks about 9' long.
Til next year my nemesis! :)
Okay, I know you don't use them to mhunt other crow, so what are they for?
I have seen them in Dicks' sporting goods, my local outfitter, Wal-Mart, Bass Pro shops, Cabela's online site,etc...
I have asked all my hunting friends and nobody knows. Matter of fact, a few think I am pulling their leg about crow decoys.
So, do they make a deer or turkey think everything is okay in a field? Do they help draw in geese or dove?
Do you use them to draw in other crow so you can shoot them to keep them out of the cornfield?
I don'y have any plans to buy any, but I am just curious.
I was inspired by a recipe in NC game & Fish magazine for bacon wrapped / plank cooked turkey breast.
Well, I didn't really care for the plank part of it. Nothing against a semi smoked flavor, just not my personal favorite.
I also didn't use the rum.honey/ dijon mustard marinade either.
I just took two big ole wild turkey breasts, dry rubbed them with ranch seasoning powder mix, covered them in bacon, salyt and peppered them and baked at 375 for 50 minutes.
They were awesomly great tasting!
Garlic roasted mashed potatoes and garlic bread on the side with fresh brewed homemade ice tea.
Oh, I did soak the breasts in a pot of salted water for about 24 hours, rinsed and patted dry before cooking.
Okay, have a question for yah. I cannot find the answer anywhere online at NC WRC website> Can't find it in the hunting rules and regs book either.
So here goes:
At what ( legal) age can a person be left without adult supervision to hunt?
In this case, can a 15 year old who has taken the hunter safety course ( about 3 years ago) be dropped off to go hunting in the woods , and not supervised by an adult or guardian?
I will need a link or source to your answer, not just a 'trust me' answer.
Trying to make sure that a friend isn't doing something wrong or illegal.
No, it would be with blantant disregard to the rules or lack of caring - just not aware of rules.
Matter of fact, 99% of the time, that particular youth would be with me or his uncle when hunting.
The youth is just as safe with guns as any other adult I have ever seen, and is pretty knowledgeable about hunting rules, ethics, etc...
It just happened to come up in a conversation today and I want to point it out to the parent if it is indeed illgal to do.
Again, if this in fact illegal, I need a source so that I can copy or print it out and give to the boy and his parents.
Bought my first mouth call today.
Nothing fancy, just a cheap one. I don't see any reason to buy a $30.00 call when I will be learning from scratch.
SO I bought a HS Strut 'Single D' single reed call. Bought it at Bass Pro in Myrtle Beach. Got out in the parking lot and opened the package and put it in m y mouth and tried it.
Spit in on the dash of the car. Put it back in after I got on the hiway and almost gagged myself. Tried again and ended up spitting drool all over the windshield>
SO, the BPS is about 2 1/2 hours from my house. 15 minutes after i got home, I was making this thing work, I can do 3 distinctly different sounds with it.
Problem is - and this is also my question -
Does your mouthcall make you drool or slober?
I can start calling and get off about 20 calls before I have to stop and swallow drool or take a chance of spitting the call out.
Is this normal?
Man, I am so jacked up and ecited right now!
Just came in from the field and watching a few Toms strut.
Okay, let's back up just a bit:
This is going to be my first year of turkey hunting. Well, my first year of hunting anything that didn't involve using a fishing pole.
So about 1/3 of anything I know about turkeys ( which isn't much ), I have learned from this site.
Anyways, I went out this morning armed with my camo clothes, a turkey vest, camera, Primos gobble shaker call, a Knight & Hale 'lil screamer' slate call and my stool.
I wasn't really sure how good my camo was or how well I was going to blend in. This was not my regular field of hunt and I didn't have a blind of any kind, just my Mossy Oak BU coat, primos spandex face mask and gloves, Red Head real tree camo turkey vest and regular dark camo Wrangler camies I bough from Wal-Mart ( as work pants).
This area is not my regular area so it's not like I have spent alot of time scoping it out. From the highway, there is a field that is about 150 deep and 60 yards wide. Behind that is a thin treeline that encompasses a ditch that is about 70 feet deep( the treeline, that is). Beyond that is a bigger field that is about 175 yards wide by 250 yards deep. Then another bigger creek and tree line that is maybe 80 feet thick. Beyond that is the field I sat in. This field is about 350 yards wide and 200 yards deep.
Right now the field has been cut in and turkey manure spread in, but not tilled up or rowed in yet.
So I sat at the edge of the wood line ( not in, but just at the edge) with my back to a big oak that was about 2 1/4 foot wide. I was out at 5:50 am and waited til light.
Around 6:15 or so, I hear a gobble. You could tell he was still up in the tree. About 5 mins later, I heard him go to the ground. Sounded like a bear fell out of a tree. :)
Then he gobbled about 3 times in a row. I shook my gobble call and he gobbled right back.
I waited a few minutes and hit the gobble call again and he gobbled back- louder and closer.
So then I started plucking with the slate call. Threw in a purr and plucked at it some more.
He gobbled again.
I then shook my gobble call and he came running across the field at a 45 degree angle to about 25 feet away.
I was scarred shitless! I was scared I was going to freak him out and watch him run away.
So I very slowly moved my arm behind ( to sound farther away))me and shook the gobble call again .
I figured he migh run away, but instead he puffed up and fanned out.
At this point, I stopped. No calling, no moving, no breathing!
I mean, I called him in, but I couldn't shoot him, was pretty sure I couldn't pet him, and didn't know what else to do.
After forever ( about 20 seconds) he started walking off to my left and around the treeline over a small culvert that crosses the bigger creek.
He walked back to the field behind me. During this time, there was at least two more toms gobbling away.
One in the woods straigt acroos the field from me and another one that sounded like he was 150 yards to the right and on the opposite side of the field. I never heard those two come out of the trees - of course, I was so excited about calling that first tom in, I might not have noticed had a Boeing 747 crashed in the field in behind me.
Well, after about 10 minutes or so, I heard that first tome gobbling in the field behind me.
I turned my stool around and started alternating between the slate call and gobble call. I could see him strutting in the field behind me and fanning real big.
So I started plucking and purring with the slate call and he started walking towards me from the other side of the crrek. I hit the gobble call and watched him hop/fly over the creek and work his way towards me again.
So again, I realize that I can't shoot him, can't let him sit in my lap while I pet him either, so I stop calling, moving, breathing again.
He walks right by me, not even 10 feet away from me!
He ended up walking right back into the field he started in to begin with.
I know he was getting confused that there were no other turkeys that should be making the aounds.
Well, since I was only scouting and not able to hunt yet.....I was pretty much satisfied and done.
I stood up to leave and saw the tom in the middle of the field still. WEll, I didn't want my presence to scare him off so I shook my stool and let the legs rattle against the frame. He didn't really care too much and very slowly walked away. Very slowly. Never saw me though.
Okay, so......I learned a few things this morning:
My camo must be a whole lot better than I thought. I was not in the woods, but backed up to a tree that was on the edge of the woods.
I know what a gobble call is, but I haven't really had the time to figure out exactly when to use a cluck, a purr, a yelp or such. But this morning, it all worked out. I did what I instinctively felt right. Maybe it was the right calls, maybe it was pure dumb luck, or maybe the Tom is in a mentally challenged state of being.
Had it been season right now, I would have a HUGE tom in my truck right now. His beard was at least 12' long. It was dragging the ground when he walked.
Yeah, like a 5 year old jacked up on Red Bull and a 10 pound bag of sugar!
Bet I'm smiling bigger than the joker right now!
In my excitement, I never got a shot with my camera!
I just love this video.
I'm sure you have seen it before, but I gotta post.
I can only wish I end up being in this situation too one day!
Anybody own one?
What do you think about it?
Would you recommend it?
I am planning on buying my 12 year old a pump shotgun. Now, before you start thinking about some tiny child....My son is 12 years old and he weighs around 150 pounds...and is 5'9 3/4' tall.
For a while, I had been mulling over buying a Mosberg Maverick 88 because it was pretty cheap.
Know what I mean? For a first gun that may get laid down in the dirt due to lack of thinking, maybe dropped in the mud or water, possibly banged around some due to not being as careful as he should be...I didn't want to spend alot of money.
So after holding a 535 today at the local outfitters, I have to say it felt pretty good. Pretty solid feeling , although I am used to holding guns that are heavier in weight.
So, unless I get a bunch of bad reviews, I'll probably go with the 535 ATS
Thanks for your input!
Saw this shirt at my local outfitter today. Didn't have one in my size though..........
This is my very first turkey blind I have made.
Used a Mossy Oak breakup patterned burlap cloth. about 5' tall X 12' wide Height wise, it is doubled over my upright stakes to create a double thickness and
lengthwise, it is in a half hexagon shape.
Drug a few dead trees that were laying around ( and very common all around) and layed a few in front of the blind just as they were laying where I found them. Same position and direction in relation to a compass too. Walked over about 20 yards and grabbed a big handfull of leaves and threw the up in the air and let them settle over the dead wood I laid out. Did this 3 or 4 times to give it a a look that more matched the surrounding dead branches on the ground.
Come hunt time, I will clip a few green branches while walking in and plant them around the blind also to have some fresh greenery.
This is at one end of a clearing in the middle of the woods I hunt on ( our family land) and opposite end of where I have watched many turkeys enter the field.
Anyways, one shot is of my son peeking over the top. Realize though, he is not wearing any kind of camo whatsoever. Brown Duck Dynasty hat, shades, brown jacket, very bright blue denim jeans.
The pattern on the burlap matches 3 of the trees behind it very well. Didn't even realize that until I uploaded the pics and looked at them on my computer.
So, be brutally honest and give you best constructive criticism:
So......What do yah think?
Bought the Mossy Oak 3M vinyl gun camo kit online from Wal-Mart.com .
Total price of kit, including tax and shipping was $26 and some change. Ordered it last Friday and it arrived today.
Took me about an hour to apply after cleaning the gun.
It's not factory camo perfect, nor does it look as good as it would look if I sent it to a pro to have it wet dipped.
But considering this is the first time I done this, it came out pretty damn good. I used a box razor blade, a windo tint squeegee, and a hair dryer to help bend and stretch the vinyl.
I have to admit one thing I missed. After I aplied the kit to my gun, my son pinted out that I had forgot to cut out for the shell ejection port.
I'm sure I would have figured it out eventually...maybe after it wouldn't cycle a round! :)
Okay, have any of you seen the camo duipping kits for gun?
Some really nice patterns too> I love the God's country camo...it's like Real tree and Mossy Oak that have been super charged>
Anyways, every pictur I see of a pitol or rifle shows just the stock or grips camoed - so you can tell the action and barrels were disassembled before dipping.
However, when looking at shotguns that were camo dipped, The entire gun has the same camo pattern>
So, Am I to assume you can dip the entire gun in the water?
Okay, maybe the trigger mechanism was taken out, but the ammo tube, the action area, barrel, stock and pump grip have a continuous 'uninterrupted pattern. This tells me that the entire gun was dipped as a whole piece.
NOw, the cost of sending one off is m ore than I want to pay...which is what makes the home kit ideal>
But if I have to completely strip the gun apart, spend an extroidinary amount of time cleaning/drying it out then forget it!
I'lljust buy the 3M vinyl graphics kit instead.
SO, what can you tell me from experience?
Okay, I am aware that this may be a stupid question, but that hasn't ever stopped me before! :)
Male or bearded turkey? I take it to mean a hen could have a beard too? Maybe one that escaped from the bearded female turkey attraction that the traveling circus puts on?
Does it happen alot, occasionally, every now and then, rarely?
Would you shoot her....him....it?
Yesterday, I took some shots at my turkey targets to get my gun patterned it.
I have the Mossberg 500 with 28' accuvent barrel.
Using a stock full choke that came with the gun, and using Remington Nitro turkey 3' #5 shot - I consistantly put about 20 shot in the kill zone at 45 - 50 yards.
Up til that point, I was planning on buying a
X full or XX full turkey choke, but now I am
thinking of not even bothering since where I hunt at - the longest shot I will have will be around 35 to 40 yards due to wood lines, ditch bank, trees, etc.
But as this will be my first year turkey hunting, I want to hear what the more experienced have to say:
Will the turkey choke benefit me or would I be spending money on a choke for a gun that will do just fine without it?
So most all of the aftermarket turkey chokes state that they are not made for steek chokes. It'll ruin them fast.
But Most of those chokes also extend at least 2' pst the end of the barrel.
What about factory chokes? My Mossberg came with three chioles, imp cyl, mod and full. Full choke has a really nice tight pattern too.
Anyways, they fit flush inside the barrel. Not any part of them extend farther than the end of the barrel.
So I am thinking the barrel itself supports the chokes, unlike the extended chokes that stick out farther than the barrel - thus un re-enforced.
Or is it just that a aftermarket turkey choke narrows down so much that the pellets ( which are just too damn hard) just carve it away after x number of shots?
NOw, it's not that I plan to go out and buy a case of steel shot or anything, but if it ever happened that I eneded up wanting to try some...would they damage my factory chokes?
Okay, I admit that I'm feeling just a little extra proud of myself even though it wasn't a matter or rocket science or any other display of amazing human feat.
My Mossberg 500 that I just bought 2 weeks ago needed a sling. Not a problem right?
WRONG! My Mossberg has a big difference between the magazine end than the older ones> Instead of a cap that goes on the end of the magazine, it has a bolt instead. The bolt has a round head with ridges similar to the edge of a dime or quarter.
It stays on the barrle flage by means of a locking nut on the inside threads which thread into the hole in the end of an otherwise solid ended magazine. This bolt is pre tapped and threaded on the head for a swivel eye.
Am I saying this in a way that makes sense? The magazine does not use a standard cap, but a bolt threads into the end of the magazine. A swivel eye bolt then threads into the magazine bolt.
Well apparently, NOBODY carries a sling swivel set that threads into the bolt. Cannot buy just the eye bolt with machine threads, cannot buy a swivel with adaptor>
What I can buy is a whole new ' Uncle Mike's' bolt from Cheaper than dirt for $25.99 plus $12.00 shipping and handling. Plus waiting 3 or 4 weeks for it to arrive.
So here's what I did. Took the barrel off and carried to my local outfitter - who also does not have and cannot order a swivel for my gun - and looked at swivel sets.
WEll, a Winchester 1' swivel & stud set ( part #99740 - bolt action rifle) will work with small modification to the swivel bolt. No modification at all to the Mossberg.
The machine thread swivel bolt is 7/8' long. The Mossberg takes a 1/4' long bolt.
Solution: I cut the eye bolt down to a 1/4' , filed the threads smooth and burr free and
TAH - DAH!
We are in buisness!
Again, no major gun smithing on my part and nothing requiring a degree in engineering....but I am proud I did not have to spend $38.00 when all I needed was a $1.47 eye bolt.
Okay, that's it! :)
I occasionally glance ythrough online sales sites and classified like Armslist and craigslist , among others.
Every now and then, I see a Charles Daly shotgun for sale ortrade. Never heard of them before this year.
Thinking about maybe getting a 20 gauge pump for my son and saw a good nprice on a Charles Daly 20 ga pump.
So, are these guns reliable?
Reputable? Or total junk?
I wanted to get something afforable, but not cheap, if you know what I mean.
So, what is your experience with them?
So, I am thinking I might make a run to Bass Pro Shop in the next couple months. Pretty decent prices on some shotguns and make a whole day trip out of it too. Kinda a one day mini getaway of sorts.
Now, I live in Jacksonville, NC, but the Myrtle Beach, SC Bass Pro Shop is at least 2 1/2 hours closer to me than the Concord Mills, NC BPS.
SO, what do the laws say about buying a gun in SC and transporting it back to NC.
I mean, if I was moving , it would be different circumstances>
I have n dubt the federal paperwork would be the same, but what about on the state level?
In reallity, as long as I don't get pulled for speeding and anything along tose lines, nobody would ever know...but we know how Murphy's law works - I'd get caught in a random trafficstop/ licnse check/ vehicle search.
So, what can you tell me?
Watched this video on youtube the other day:
Make a turkey call with a pill bottle
and this one too:
Make a turkey call with bamboo:
Okay, still working on the bamboo one, but finished the pill bottle call.
Here's the deal, I probably not going to really use these when I go turkey hunting, but it was just something fun to do on arainy day while waiting for turkey season to get here.
Deer season is over, I'm not into squirrel or dove hunting, so thise was just a 'just to see if I can do it' project for me>
The pill bottle I have is slightly larger, so I had to spend quite a bit of time tuning it. Pretty sure a smaller diameter would work better, but I'll be honest, it's my part that needs the most tuning. I have a pretty decent gobble so fat and can cluck pretty good. Still need ALOT practice, but hey - got a couple months to get it right - IF I even ecide to use the call while hunting.